Probably what happened was that they put them on the top of the hill at Gibeah, so that God in the Tabernacle could "see" the execution being done. 5. One of them toward the end of this list is King David. If, in the event the Israelis ever came their way, they would be servants to the people of Israel. About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. God has torn the kingdom from you. WebSaul slew the Gibeonites, not simply as the son of Kish, but as the king of Israel, and therefore involved all Israel with him in the violation of the national oath; and hence, until the evil should be put away by the execution of the immediate offender or his representatives, all Israel must suffer. So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. And when Saul saw any strong man or any valiant man, he took him for himself. He could have done several things differently, perhaps giving the Gibeonites their freedom as a way to repay them. the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Good question. Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. Fifty years ago was 1957. 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the Why was David so loyal to Saul after everything Saul had done to him? Nevertheless, he names a few of them. Other Translations for 2 Samuel 21:1 Discussion for 2 Samuel 21 View All There was justice that was going to take place. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! ( v.1 ) So God sent a famine to punish a kingdom for something that a former king supposedly did. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. This may have only been a couple of months later. They did not seek God in this matter. Moreover, Samuel said, "What have you done? Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? Now that we have established that there was a horrible massacre at some point in the past, remember there was sin, and there was a crime committed. The words "thirty" and "forty" are not in the original Hebrew. In effect, what they wanted to do was hang the bodies of Saul's family in Saul's hometown in sight of Jerusalem. He attempted the genocide of & "Take heed that you be not deceived." We have an easier time identifying with the flawed, but heroic, Lancelot from the legends of King Arthur, because he is a lot more like ushe commits sin; he has faults. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. If people grow up in a society and culture that does not have God at their beck and call, they do whatever they wantwhatever comes naturally. In some ways, the story centers around covenants or treaties, one made between Israel and the Gibeonites in Joshua 9, another between Jonathan and David in 1 Sam. I do not think that King David thought through the implications of this matter very well. The Gibeonites were not Israelites, but the remnant of the Amorites, which Saul pursued from within Israel. Vote Up He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation" Psalm 24:4-5. This famine has been going on for three years, year after year. However, this chapter drops a few hints about it. And King David rolled over and let this happen. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. Saul and the Pharisees persecuted and killed the Christians, The sons of King Saul were killed as a result of this attempted genocide, The non-Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem were destroyed in AD70 Gods judgment on them for murdering his son and doubtless, the early Christians. Wherever he turned, he harassed them. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. This was a long time ago. Israel was totally swindled and bamboozled. Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. There were not very many of them left. Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. Then Gibeon was a mile or two more to the north-northwest. We are not finished with that yet, because, who were the Gibeonites? But it appears at least 40, maybe 50 years in the past. It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. Before she married David, Abigail had been the wife of _____. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. According to a May 2007 George Barna Poll, 63% of Americans, mostly professing Christians, believe that Jesus sinned during His physical life! Jew or gentile? He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. Go back with me to Deuteronomy 7 and see the instruction that God gave to Israel about how to deal with these kinds of people. Where have you been, David? God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. WebSaul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. WebNow, when they heard that the Gibeonites had made a special treaty with the Israelites they got very angry. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD? II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the L ORD. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Because of what had been going on, all the turmoil in this life and the kingdom, David was not spiritually prepared to face it. There is a difference. We would like to make a covenant with you.". It only says that God heeded the prayer of the land. Saul agreed, and off he went. Time to retire!" At most it was about ten miles awaynot very far at all. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. SERIES INTRODUCTION David may have begun to think about this now, "What is going on here? Can we assume that God was in any way propitiated at the conclusion of this story? It does not require at all times that a person guilty of bloodshed die. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. Today, I want to visit one of King David's lesser-known black marks, and draw some lessons from it at the end. Therefore, one of the first things that Joshua and the Israelites do is they allow a big problem to linger in their midst. The Gibeonites have the dubious distinction of having duped Joshua and the elders of Israel. WebTheir apostasy began with the Hivites from Gibeon, and in time, the leaven slowly spread. Up and down your family tree, sin does not go. Moreover, the Gibeonites who survived remembered, and they wanted blood when they were asked. WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. This is certainly not the David of Psalm 34, where he wrote. And we bear the guilt with them for that. We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. God was not in all his thoughts during this time. Another possibility is that when Saul slew many of the priests at Nob he also executed many Gibeonites (1 Samuel 22:19). Based on what he knew, and what was available in God's law, David should have been much more judicious. He could have done whatever he wanted. You had to go up quite a bit. They did not ask, "God, what should we do to these people, the Gibeonites? David asked the Gibeonites what punishment would satisfy them and atone for (cover) Sauls sin of murder. Perhaps if I go and kill all the Gibeonites like Joshua was supposed to do, maybe God will let me back into the chair.". Psalm 34:17-18 The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. 20, and still another between Saul and David in 1 Samuel 24. Leviticus 26:3-4 If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. If you read Psalm 51 it is very clear that he understood his own makeup. That generation had begun to pass. After that, God heeded the prayer of the land. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Now it came to pass, when Adonizedec king of He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. You are no longer fit to be king." But that conclusion is a bit too sanguine once you begin to look into that which is not said, or what is said elsewhere. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." But talk about your flawed heroes! I Samuel 14:47-48 So Saul established his sovereignty over Israel, and fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, against the people of Ammon, against Edom, against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines. Where are they from? What did David do to end the famine caused by Saul breaking a treaty with the Gibeonites? He just simply rolled over. by LeRoy Gardenier Report, September 02 2013 LAMECH: FALL OUT FROM POLYGAMY; There is a great deal more than what meets the eye. Because David had been good friends with Jonathan, he at first allowed all of Sauls family to continue to live peaceably in the land. The Israelite version was a whole lot less absolute. In the economy of God's providence, however, such tiny events often matter much. WebThe Gibeonites Hang Saul's Descendants 21 While David was king, there were three years in a row when the nation of Israel could not grow enough food. This has become known as the "eye for an eye principle." We still need some more background. God affirms that the famine is punishment for Sauls massacre of the Gibeonites, who had been protected by a treaty since the Israelites first invaded the Promised Land ( Joshua 9:127 ). He was not thinking spiritually. His anger at the 21:1-11 ). He realized how often, and how far, he strayed from God's way of life. In other words, we want them to be just like us. Community answers are sorted based on votes. WebWe will attack Gibeon, because they have made peace with Joshua and the Israelites." In fact, it can be read as if David approached it as only a minor administrative matter. This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. Why was Satan so effective in influencing the actions of Eve? . There is more space given to David's flaws than anyone else in the whole Bible. David did not come to this with any regal neutrality in the least. Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. God tells us that, spiritually, we have to go and wipe them out. WebTranslation Details for 2 Samuel 21:1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. God punished the whole nation for breaking the covenant. Saul had four sons. * Jonathanhe befriended David, died with Saul on Mount Gilboa * Abinadabdied with Saul on Mount Gilboa * Malchishuadied with The last time Saul did swear not to kill David, Saul swore "by YHWH" not to kill david he broke it many times over since. We have examples of where that has happened, but he did not do that this time. Evidently, that is what he did. Now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; the children of Israel had sworn protection to them, but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. He understood it. He does not seem to have asked the priest who would know the law the best to find out what Scripture said about situations like this. David did all this, it seems, off the top of his head. So they performed all that the king commanded. If what happened against Gibeon occurred during Saul's reign, even if it was in the latter half, it would mean it was at least (if we are in the last decade of King David's reign) that the massacre of Gibeonites occurred 40 or 50 years earlier. He did not do anything to directly intervene. I want you to understand where Barry was coming from in writing the note. Jerusalem is almost directly west a few miles, but it is quite high from the Jordan to the Jerusalem. And then King David inquired of the Lord. Then they replied, It was Saul who planned to destroy us, to keep us from having any place at all in Israel. One other thing: Samuel said that God is not going to go back on His word. Verse 5 does not say that the guilt of a person extends to his great-great grandchildren. Joshua 9:22-24 Then Joshua called for them, and he spoke to them, saying, "Why have you deceived us, saying, 'We are very far from you,' when you dwell near us? Perhaps trickery will be better than war for us.". The verb is used in this sense with respect to Joshua's action toward the Gibeonites in Joshua 9:27, where cultic servitude is involved ("for the altar of the Lord"). "There's something rotten in Denmark," as the saying goes. Ezekiel 18 makes it clear that God punishes people for their own iniquity. Is that what happened?" How long was the average lifespan at the time? Oh, fear the LORD, you His saints! Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death [he cannot buy his way out]. It shows you just how far things had sunk in the land. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. Each generation had to live out its days as "hewers of wood and carriers of water". Exodus 21:12-13 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. He was tired, and wanted to get it out of the way. Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. There are so many things I have got to do.". We want them to reflect what a real person would do in extreme or extraordinary circumstances. Report You're out of here!". But, the others were Saul's grandsons. And, it certainly does not record that David took this to God for His solution to it. Saul, after having disqualified Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned for forty -two years over Israel. Except for verse 21, there is very little mention of God in the whole episode. God punished Adam and Eve for their sin. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. The Bible doesnt really say. This is taken from the book Antiquities of the Jews, pg. 7: AFTER this, when the country was greatly afflicted with a Notice that I Kings begins not many chapters after this. It is his sin. It provides the cities of refuge where he could go serve a type of prison sentenceif it was an accidental murderuntil the high priest died. Hearing that Joshua was camped in their general neighborhood, after his devastating defeat of the strategic cities of Jericho and Ai, the Gibeonites sent a delegation to him at nearby Gilgal. This was obviously later in his life and reign. Therefore, they arrive in the camp of Israel, and say, "Where's your leader? DECEPTION AND COST Why did God allow the Gibeonites to put to death seven of Sauls sons? I will do it." The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. King David is mentioned by name as a hero of faith. It does not matter. He committed colossal sins that whole nations would be held in contempt for. He gives them exactly what they want, and look at what happens. He is able to judge justly. The Bible helps us in this way, because it is full of examples of flawed heroes of faith. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. You had only black and white television if you had television. Saul and the heir to the throne, his son, Jonathan, were killed in a battle with the Philistines, and by popular acclamation, David became the King of Israel. In reading the Psalms, on the other hand, we get an idea of just how grateful he was for God's forgiveness and grace, because I believe he was aware of just what a rotten individual he really was. THE STORY OF JOSEPH - WebThe LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. 0 responses Jonathan and Saul led the I think that this was a test from God, and David failed spectacularly, except in keeping his promise to Jonathan. He needed God to forgive him. They may not have been involved at all, depending on how early in Saul's reign this event took place. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. WebDavid serves Saul with music on his harp Nov 24, 1025. However, we have a great deal of trouble identifying with or understanding pure, innocent and perfect Galahad. (Matthew 14:1921). He just let matters continue naturally and let it rub in for another six or seven months. ", So David went out and said, "There are some things that have needed to be done. That the famine continued indicates God displeasure with David's decision and inner motives. The breach of contract was serious enough that God sent the famine in response. He was setting us an example of what we should be doing in a spiritual sense. God!before the Lordin Gibeah of Saul. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. So, it is very likely that these men were murdered both as retribution and as sacrifices to some pagan god to spite the God of the Bible, and therefore, Israel. It looks to me like he tried to work out a political solution rather than a righteous one. 21:2, NIV).2 Saul did this in his zeal for Israel and Judah. So for nationalistic reasons Saul was guilty of attempted genocide. Gibeon is only a few miles mostly north of Jerusalem. It wouldnt be surprising if these people had become worshippers of God, from their exposure to the tabernacle and teaching. He just weakly said, "Oh okay, whatever you want. King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). Skeptic turned believer, Catholic, father of 3, ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church. Eisenhower was still in office. And the king said, "I will give them." He made huge errors in judgment, both personally and in a larger sense. HERALDS OF HOLOCAUST Their deceit, Israel's lack of vigilance and Saul's deep delusion caused God's people centuries of grief and embarrassment. 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