One way to discover if it is or isn't the problem is get out your calipers and measure along the slide rail slots in many places for each slide rail slot and then your front locking block slide rail and rear slide rails and the numbers will tell you if it's the problem or not. Hopefully that's all it was. I have just installed an Agency arms trigger & trigger bar in the gun. Is it safe to shoot? I haven't fired it yet, but all of the dry functions now work as well as the recoil spring test!!! Clear editor. I like the idea of using a second gun to diagnose. I pulled out my Timney a month or two ago and went back to Apex. I can't figure out how the trigger would cause that kind of malfunction anyway, but it's the only change I've made before the malfunction started. Will get some pics next time at the range. Nice pull and crisp break. I just made the switch to CO from Production with my 34.5 MOS. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. 3. make sure the plunger is properly installed, take the side apart and push down on the plunger. What you describe sounds exactly like what's happening. I just replaced my G26 recoil spring. If all fails, trade in and buy a Glock 19. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If that doesn't fix it, take the slide apart in the rear (you can find a YT video of how to take the back plate off) and make sure the springs on the firing pin, extractor and firing pin safety are in their correct orientation and not deformed. 2 Angle the pistol so that the muzzle is pointed straight up. No lube should be needed on RSA. I have played with many Glock triggers and trigger parts since then, both Glock and aftermarket selections, looking for that secret sauce. Yes, the Glock has been altered from stock. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Ive played with the trigger a good bit and its still a glock trigger. If it goes into battery completely then the recoil spring is at least minimally OK. Another test I've seen done is to load a magazine completely full. This is a brand new firearm and before you fired even one round down range you took it apart and modified it thus you have no baseline performence to know what the firearm was doing before you "improved" it. I'm in California), but then it stops going forward just short of going into battery. Now I admit I am not sure if this is happening when i take the slide off, but I am guessing not. One new winner* is announced every week! With that said I dont really see how your issue is being caused by the trigger. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I do not recommend using a dremel on that. I initially chalked it up to the recoil spring being too light or a magazine issue, but it's still happening after swapping the stock, barely used RSA back in, and it has happened with all of the extensions. Back up a step that you took, and test,.. ie,.. swap the Timney back out. I have a couple Dawson and Henning magazine extensions. I guess it's best to keep a couple spare recoil springs for the G26 just in case. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin. Could be too long and hitting the extractor bar/spring thingy and not letting the extractor get up over the case rim. are you certain that everything is installed properly? I am not LE but I was able to take the course just had to drive a hour to where they were having it. BTW, the Cold Bore work is really nice! My brand new Glock 19 Gen4 does the exact thing. I noticed while shooting that sometimes the slide will not return back to battery 100%. Haha. I dont have any aftermarket parts in it. You cannot paste images directly. The triggers arent nearly as drop in as theyd like to make them out to be. I knew what it felt like from a second 17 I own, so I knew that was the route I wanted to go. When I say it won't go back into battery I mean when I hand cycle the slide and let it down easy. I only shoot factory ammo. What ammo? Your load seems fine to me - adequate for a typical Glock 19 to operate well. Glock OEM triggers are generally crappy even after polishing, but they are reliable. It now passes the recoil spring test. Put ammo in from the same box into my 92A1 and had no issues. Break it in!!! Does it function? The simple thing seems to be that something did not go back together right. Im planning on a press as my next significant purchase. Pasted as rich text. With Timney I can set off small rifle that I could not with my Glock trigger. On a side note, this gun did not want to feed my semiwadcutters at all, and also pinched my pinky a lot. I just push it a fraction of an inch with my thumb, and it's good to go. Maybe ne messed something up in the slide. This did the trick. Got back to the range today happened a little less (still did not get any factory ammo yet) After looking at the slide there is some ware marks at some points and thinking maybe this might be little to thick on the coating i could be wrong just a thought. You should buy one of these if you don't already have one. Got the second trigger for the 34.3, dropped in no problem. A forum community dedicated to glock owners and enthusiasts. By Thanks for the suggestion. I had a friend of mine install the 3.5 connector with the NY1 trigger spring on my old Glock 19. I run Zev guide rods and adapter rings on my Gen4 17 and 21, along with ISMI recoil springs that are 15lb rated. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. have you considered maybe tossing the Timney in the trash and going back to the trigger youve used for the past 11,000 rounds and using that? In using it, ive experienced several failure to fires. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. sounds to me like the Timney is your problem, not the Glock. But about 1-2 rounds out of 100 it wouldnt quite go in to battery and Id need to tap the back of the slide slightly to seat it (started off at like 3 in 5 rounds). I am still useing the stock recoil spring and striker spring. Then again, I would caution folks not to expect any new trigger or trigger part is going to be a simple drop in item. You can post now and register later. BrianEnos.com What load you firing? releasing the trigger allows it to go the rest of the way home. JavaScript is disabled. Thank you! Thanks. Riding the slide is not recommended so not letting the slide run forward untouched should make it OK, IMO. Just a thought. When I press the slide release it loads just fine. The test I use is to take an UNLOADED gun and hold the trigger back, rack the slide back, then let the slide forward with my handto the point just before the barrel starts to rotate up, then I release the slide. I am sure it has to do with some of the mods I've done. Was this an issue before you installed the new connector? You must log in or register to reply here. If you aren't getting drag marks on the underneath side of the slide from it, I would leave it be, other than giving it and the bar itself a good polishing. BrianEnos.com Sometimes you just need to oil them and rack the slide a few hundred or thousand times to break it in. I've tried three different brand new ones.I can also add that I am 99% sure the problem is in the slide. I agree with comments a few others have already made that Timney triggers are not necessarily a simple drop in. releasing the trigger allows it to go the rest of the way home. If the firing pin did not drop then chances are that is the issue. When I got the first one for my 34.4, I had multiple issues that I couldn't resolve, so I got my backup 34.4 dropped that same trigger in and it ran perfectly first time in. I took the gun apart this morning and the screw that holds the timney sear housing in the Glock housing was loose. moved the trigger spring up on the trigger bar. When I pull it all the way back and then release, the slide locks just fine. If I let It slam shut there is no problem. before the timney Ive been using a glockstore black yikes connector and Overwatch Precision trigger. Here's how you can test if it's a recoil spring issue: 1 With the pistol empty, pull the trigger, and keep the trigger depressed. I've read through a lot of the big thread on the Timney Trigger, and have searched, and haven't been able to find similar malfunctions happening with the Timney. The lead tech at Suarez International was not only less helpful, but a total jerk about it. It will be fine for a few shots, or even a magazine (10 rounds. I would pull and hold the trigger, rack the slide and it wouldn't return completely to battery until I released some tension on the trigger. Just curious as to what Glock said. Hope yours breaks in and the issue clears itself up. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. May be the recoil spring not being in the right seat position. first off, your slide internals are not installed correctly, the metal should be showing on your depressor plunger and not the rubber and spring and it looks like your missing a pin? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. All Rights Reserved. Did not have any problems before I had this milled. Paste as plain text instead, If it would close unless you let the trigger forwardthen it fails the test. It is one of the dual captured springs, so there doesn't appear to be much that can be done to "fix" anything. Also do you have another 17 handy? That's one reason why using the slide stop is more reliable than pulling back on the slide; because some times shooters will pull it back but then also ease it forward removing momentum and causing the gun to not lock up properly. My Glock 21SF threaded barrel sucked for the first 100-200 rounds fired, but once it wore in it has been very good. Upload or insert images from URL. Oh its not a logical move. Im curious to see what the hype is about but getting rid of my Glocks isnt a consideration. I'm not new to glocks and have done detailed strips before so I don't think it is the recoil spring not seated correctly. Ohthis is all with the muzzle pointing straight up. I've got a 3rd gen G19 that I use as a suppressor host. To eliminate grip issues, have you had anyone else try to replicate the issue with a different box of ammo? Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. In addition, if you just had the slide (and / or frame) refinished, there is an excellent chance you will need to shoot some rounds to get the coatings thinned out in the right spots. It does once I release (reset) the trigger. In one range trip (about 350 rounds) and one match this past weekend, I basically can't get through a magazine without multiple failures to go into battery. In my opinion, I'd suggest the factory rounds (or load a hotter load) and find out if it solves the problem. Upload or insert images from URL. Like polishing amounts? Powered by Invision Community. Have you tried the field test for the RSA? When you are normally shooting, your trigger is still pulled back when the slide returns. None of the modifications you mentioned are in the slide unless you changer out the plunger. I was a little afraid to fire it after I ran the recoil spring test and it didn't go back into battery. Maybe he did something to the slide? Then run it like you sole it and it will work fine. I read it gave a much nicer trigger pull. I recently changed out the connector on a new G19 I picked up and I noticed that if I rode the slide home slowly while doing dry fire practice the gun would FTRTB due to a longer arm on the connector that rides against the cam on the slide. I may have to get out a Glock and take a look. Interesting. 17s and a 26 but done here, but the methods should be the same on the 20. You cannot paste images directly. It sounds more like a recoil/mag spring issue to me. In the end, you will want to have at least 2/3 to 3/4 of the sear face/firing pin engagement to be safe. For that matter, 99.99% of dirty unlubricated Glock 23's with stock parts and well worn RSA's will go into battery 99.99% of the time with all but the worst .40 cal ammo. I can't have more than 1500-2000 rounds through this pistol. Usually a problem in the op rod channel or a rail problem. NWGlocker Registered Joined Aug 12, 2010 February 21, 2022 in Glock. While you are on our site, don't forget to check out our Glock Frame Disassembly, Glock Frame Reassembly, Glock Slide Disassembly and Reassembly as well as Glock Field Strip videos to learn more about the Glock pistols. Give your new G19 some good lube on the rails, tabs and the barrel before shooting it again. 1. before the timney Ive been using a glockstore black yikes connector and Overwatch Precision trigger. Ive had to bump up my striker spring to get their a few boxes of really old PMC primers that came my way. When I press the slide release it loads just fine. What Argyle said sounds about right. Or like actually hitting it with a file some? I gave it a little more oil than normal and seems to be getting better. Im thinking the mag springs are hanging up on something. I am doing my Armorers class this coming week and planned to bring up the question. Im a little ahead of you on this path. I am making sure not to ease it forward. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Anyways, I noticed when messing around with it that the slide is not going all the way back into battery when I ride the slide forward while holding the trigger back. If he lets go of the trigger at that point, the slide goes forward completely. The trigger bar and connector are polished but no metal reshaped or removed. I've been running Glock pistols since they came out with the G21 in .45acp over 30 years ago, that's when I sold my Colt 1911 and never looked back. 3 Pull the slide back fully, then slowly ride the slide back into battery position, keeping the trigger depressed the whole time. Lots of creep, but that is by design. My glock 19 doesn't go back into battery until I reset the trigger. Let it forward a little bit and then let go. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Any . Something he has seen in the field. Your link has been automatically embedded. Pasted as rich text. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Its been awhile but isn't that a test on the glock holding the gun upright and dropping the slide with the trigger held? This allows me to use my loads (in 9mm, I'm usually around 3.4 - 3.7gr Titegroup under a 124gr JHP) and the gun runs flawlessly. A couple thought on the trigger- if you work on the sear engagement, proceed with caution. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. This is also why I ended up trying the Timney. This allowed the rear trigger housing to raise up and give me battery/jamming issues as well. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. There are MANY other options for Glock trigger mods and all of them have been in use far longer than the Timney. Have you tried shooting it? One mag in particular was the worst. I'm wondering if it could be a defective recoil spring? Clear editor. From personal experience I recommend a factory connector. update looks to be the coating in tight paces, there is some ware marks on the slides where is contacts the frame. This may sound crazy but if you or a buddy have a tac light slip it on the rail and try firing again. I couldnt be happier. I put about 600 through it with the extensions with no issues. no Go on the back plate do not have one.. Building a V2 soon. You can post now and register later. No need to clean, just add lube. I don't know what the freaking problem is with my gun not going back into battery. JavaScript is disabled. So let's make sure we understand this situation. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. My current set-up is a glockstore tungsten guide rod w/ 13lb spring, TTI Grand Master spring and connector kit, and SRO on a forward controls design plate. If so, look for interference or binding during feeding. I still want a few more range trips before i start carrying it daily again but it seems we are on the right track. Is this RSA going to $hit already? I totally get this. "Laws that forbid the carrying of armsdisarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimesSuch laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Everything is right in the world of Glock again. Agree with Danzig but I actually suspect it may have more to do with the slide, if your Suarez slide has been caracoated or duracoated there is the possibility of some build up in the slide rail slots or on the bottom of the slide in the area where the connector rides causing your problem. Is this how it supposed to function? A slight adjustment to the crimping die corrected the problem. I bought a used (only shot one time) Gen 3 Glock 36. What does the extractor look like? and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!". Win A Colt 1911 Tomb Of The Unknown Soldier 45acp, Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section, Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses, View up to date on firearm-related events. What happens when you let the slide slam forward? Your previous content has been restored. Does anyone have any suggestions? No aftermarket parts except Night Sights on a Glock that is going to be a Self Defense Weapon. Paste as plain text instead, It did shoot fine. Just an excuse to try something new. it looks like the spring doesn't detend far enough , then doesn't pushes the slide into complete battery. Yes i am. Glad you got it fixed. check the recoil spring. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! Let me start by saying that I know I bought the wrong aftermarket slide. Back to the G19m and several more failure to fires. I don't know if that is the problem, but thank you for trying to help. Check for it. It appears that the safety plunger spring was laying sideways instead of inside the safety plunger. Let it forward a little bit and then let go. The slide goes into battery, but the primer hits look off. My participation level isnt at the point where a dedicated backup gun makes sense so i dont have another gen 5 to compare, this might be the thing that gets me to try a sig though. Thanks for the info. Thanks. Ammo used was all cheap Tula 9mm 115 gr. Have you tried a different firing pin spring? https://www.glockstore.com/Glock-Armorers-Half-Slide-Cover-Plate, AR15 Optics decision/dilemma. since it started when you changed the connector, it sounds like its an assembly issue. Assuming you called Glock, how did they respond to this issue? Seat the magazine and pull the slide back all the way. Haha. I have 2 Timneys installed, one on a 34.4 & 34.3. The slide goes forward just fine if he doesn't hold back the trigger but when he holds back the trigger, the slide won't go fully forward. Or you can order them for like 2-3 bucks offline from Midway or Brownells. I have 3 of them and two of the three needed extensive adjustments to the connector and trigger bar cross bar to reset properly and consistently drop the striker. is the cruciform on the trigger bar seated properly in the trigger mechanism housing? That's been my experience. I had a friend of mine install the 3.5 connector with the NY1 trigger spring on my old Glock 19. I haven't had a chance to try a stock magazine yet. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It had 2056 through it. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Just got my slide back from being milled for dp pro and does not go into battery every time. Grab the slide by the serrations and ram the web of your shooting hand into the cradle of the frame as hard as you can until it unjams. I have to say that with a little tuning my Timney triggers run like no other Glock trigger I have owned and they are really a game changer for Glock pistols if you look closely at how they function! Unlike aftermarket the factory connectors are true drop in and usually dont need adjustments. If it were me I would use a calipers to take some measurements of your OEM slide rail slots from front to back versus your new Suarez slide front to back,I suspect you will discover differences. Advise requested, a question about requiring the FEDERAL 4473 form, SB 1 and SB 858 Committee vote Friday at 9 AM, Old Racist Gun Laws Enter Modern-Day Legal Battles, New Gun Giveaway! It seems like it gets caught on something when you hold the trigger back, like to test the reset, and then when you release the trigger the slide eases forward on its own. One new winner* is announced every week! BTW, it fired and function 100% last night for 250 rounds with the spring installed incorrectly. Ill be glad when theyre done and I can go back to the 4.0 lb spring. Remove as little material as necessary while maintaining the proper angle on it (sear face). I filmed one handed just so that I can get it on video. I thought of that, but wouldnt a heavier (ie: factory) spring make the issue more likely?, since with the timney its getting cocked as the slide returns to battery? Feel the mouth of the case for burrs, etc.. They dont always fit perfectly right away. No reason to leave the plantation because the Timney would not work out in your Glock. Comedian and Student of Life | Ep 029 JP Sears, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Looking for help. Great info! Just got my G26 back from Cold Bore Customs and did a quick trigger job, installed a smooth trigger and an extended slide release. Yes Glocks are pretty darned easy firearms to work with/on and, because of this, they are easy to make mistakes with as well. LW barrels are drop in, but they really are more of forced fit. It won't load a round. Powered by Invision Community. Clear editor. I put it back with the stock parts, and the issue continues. Is this RSA going to $hit already? Glock 36's historically dislike certain ammo's, you just need to find the ammo it likes. I have a brand new Gen4 Glock 17, which the only "upgrade" I have done is change the connector to a Taran Tactical one. A Glock is one of the easiest pistols to work on and we have pleanty of content for you to learn more about this pistol. A couple weeks ago I installed a Timney Trigger with the red return spring. I found my recoil springs drops a little as well. I am finding that especially when dry-firing, even when I am careful to let the slide "slam" shut, the slide hangs up right before lockup. Your load seems fine to me - adequate for a typical Glock 19 to operate well. If it does, you may want to look into a ligher recoil spring kit to continue using your existing loads. I had the luxury of multiple Glocks to fall back on, though. Do the RSA's need lube? AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Would suggest taking the slide off, checking to see the position of the spring. I have Timney triggers in two Glock 17 Gen 4 MOS pistols that I run in USPSA CO. It's only had failures to go to battery when I milked the slide. Some of it might be the tolerance of your frame itself. Based on your answers, I would suggest (2) things. Could be ammo related. Shoot the crap out of it. UPDATE! If this checks out 17 pounds is for 40 S&W. I'd take it to a gunsmith or a local shop with glock experience before it gets made worse. It's working fine now. I've had two other people shoot it to make sure it wasn't a grip issue (one of the people was the class instructor so I hope his grip was good. Pics to come soon. It's great. Is this normal with these mods? If you really want to fly, get out of the plane. I check the recoil spring from time to time the first way Vincent mentioned. thats one of my fears. Its light but mushy. Matter of fact, I have a couple of triggers from Charlie Vanek that he used a Lone Wolf connector in that he had tuned up. plunger spring or firing pin spring so i would leave the alone. Ammo from the same box will fire fine in my 92A1 and P228, and G19 with the factory barrel. I'm going to look in to some of your suggestions and, if all else fails, put another few hundred rounds through it and see if it persists. I noticed that sometimes when I shoot, it will not go into battery (cycles fine otherwise) until I release the trigger. But after doing some research, I shouldn't be surprised that a guy who got arrested for ripping off his LEO department, and even got his wife arrested for it too, would hier less than professional crew. Let my aim be true and my hand faster than those who would seek to destroy me. The hit on the primer was a solid hit, dead center on the .45 case that blew out. Oh, it was like filing. Thoughts on city living: If I'm at the dump and worried about all the rats, I don't think about how much ammo it takes to shoot them all, I just leave the dump. I agree, but Ive pretty much ruled out the recoil spring, and it seems crazy that four extensions and springs from henning and Dawson would all have the same malfunction. By Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! In my opinion, I'd suggest the factory rounds (or load a hotter load) and find out if it solves the problem. Wish I could look at it directly. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Seat the magazine and pull the slide back all the way. Who knows. My G21 Gen 4 would do the same thing from time to time when it was brand new. If it does, its hitting that bump too high. It has failed to return fully to battery once but every other time, it's a brief hesitation then it snaps into battery.
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